tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4798056059089761235.post8278385204407332224..comments2024-03-29T10:41:01.132+00:00Comments on The Duchy of Tradgardland: More upon the double armed man...tradgardmastarehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13116967655904601740noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4798056059089761235.post-32984466462211690612022-11-20T00:09:48.033+00:002022-11-20T00:09:48.033+00:00I know this post is from years ago, but there'...I know this post is from years ago, but there's good evidence that at least 300 men were equipped and trained in London and the combination was recorded in use for baggage trains in the Civil Wars.<br /><br />My article from earlier: https://leatherworkingreverendsmusings.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/more-evidence-for-the-double-armed-man/Leatherworking 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Thanks for posting.
Of mo...Very interesting text. Thanks for posting. <br /><br />Of most interest to me was that Neade (an archer), was looking to promote and sell his idea and complaining that London was not buying his stock. The double armed man then seems to me to be a commercial exercise by Neade and not necessarily a practical proposition. <br /><br />There must be other cases throughout history of businessmen making odd military suggestions in order to make money (Marshal Ney and the balloonist comes to mind). <br />cheers,<br />TomTomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04701879871669937678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4798056059089761235.post-76939694800471389432012-02-09T22:55:39.521+00:002012-02-09T22:55:39.521+00:00Sorry for making a mess of your comments page, Ala...Sorry for making a mess of your comments page, Alan! The url is very long and I can't seem to paste it all in to the message box and publish it. <br /><br />I'll post the picture in question on my Syldavia site.<br /><br />JimJiminhohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15163197311165054930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4798056059089761235.post-59816391094273074022012-02-09T22:53:21.092+00:002012-02-09T22:53:21.092+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jiminhohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15163197311165054930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4798056059089761235.post-47351952412256376582012-02-09T22:52:22.839+00:002012-02-09T22:52:22.839+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jiminhohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15163197311165054930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4798056059089761235.post-50879773871647253352012-02-09T22:51:00.358+00:002012-02-09T22:51:00.358+00:00I'm a very long way from knowing anything at a...I'm a very long way from knowing anything at all about the ECW but I thought the bow/pike combination looked terribly ungainly. It should be difficult, I would think, to convince troops to stop firing arrows at an advancing foe and put away the bow in order to stand and wait passively with the pike. It would also be difficult to perform this three-handed maneuver at the last second. A pike unit taken unready, still readying themselves, by a swift cavalry charge for example would surely be beaten quite easily...<br /><br />Perhaps you know the answer Alan, but did the matchlock finally win out over the bow in Britain because of the effectiveness of the weapon or simply because it is easier to train raw troops in the use of the gun? One would imagine that skilled users of longbows would have made a terrible mess of half-armoured densely grouped men in pike blocks without a whole lot of effort. Matchlocks seem a poor replacement for the punch and rate of fire of the longbow. Perhaps it is the devastating effect of a volley at close or point blank range.<br /><br />Your new pictures reminded me, Alan, of some images I have seen of Austrian light infantrymen of the 1790's (sharfschutzen and grenzers) who seem to have been armed, some of the men anyway, with the musket and a short pike which had a hook mi-shaft upon which the musket could rest. Presumably the hook was intended to stabilize the firearm for long-range sniping. No doubt the pike (more like a spear or spontoon actually) could help mount some kind of defense against light cavalry skirmishers as well.<br /><br />The following is a link to one such picture (sorry for its length! If it doesnt work, the picture is from the NY public library Vinkhuizen collection site, Austria 1780, image no. 58)<br /><br />cheers,<br />Jim<br /><br /><br />http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/dgkeysearchdetail.cfm?trg=1&strucID=125794&imageID=90317&total=94&num=40&parent_id=120437&word=&s=&notword=&d=&c=&f=&k=0&sScope=&sLevel=&sLabel=&lword=&lfield=&imgs=20&pos=58&snum=&e=wJiminhohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15163197311165054930noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4798056059089761235.post-11704750053244781552012-02-09T19:34:51.972+00:002012-02-09T19:34:51.972+00:00Interesting find. I had seen pictures of wooden po...Interesting find. I had seen pictures of wooden poles used for propping up an early type of musket but never anything regarding a bowman.<br />JeffAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14953964842751487463noreply@blogger.com